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Re: General Chat

Post by g4mki on Fri Jan 22, 2016 8:02 pm

Hi Kenny,
Thought I would add a bit of spice to the APRSUK forum.
I got my copy of RadCom yesterday which contained the statement you had already passed on.
I've had another go on the forum and generated some more comment.
I had the Datamodes url for this version in my other browser, so thought I'd better check it out.
I can't set up an avatar in the new one.

Trouble is only ex-RSGB people comment..others are still keeping their heads below the parapet.
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Post by g7vja on Fri Jan 22, 2016 8:14 pm

Hi Duncan
keep to this forum,the other one has got some setup problems,i am not going to keep trying to get it right when the fault lies with the Forum phpBB program.

saw your comments,
surprising how many ex RSGB know-alls come out of the wood work.
Jeff G8HUL is well out of date.
I am waiting for a reply back from Steve Morton
re the Third Party Letter. & the Lifetime NoV question
keep you posted on that
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Post by g7vja on Fri Jan 22, 2016 8:27 pm

Hi Duncan
Reply back from Steve regarding the Lifetime NoV
all though the dies hards will still dispute it.
I will post this reply on the Aprsuk Yahoo group

Hi Ken
It goes back to this notice from Ofcom, still on their site: http://licensing.ofcom.org.uk/radiocommunication-licences/amateur-radio/licensing-updates/rsgb-letters

The third paragraph. ' If you cannot find your system amongst those listed on these websites, then you should assume that your letter or clearance is not valid.'

Therefore people need to reapply... it's not a difficult process

Lifetime NoV's are no longer valid because like your lifetime licence they need to now be revalidated every year or every 3 years or every 5 years depending on what it is for.

Steve
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Post by g4mki on Sat Jan 23, 2016 9:41 am

Hi Kenny,
My problem with the notice is that my original 'lifetime' licence carries the RA logo, there is nothing to say it was issued by the RSGB. The Ofcom notice covers the RA angle.

Re: My NoV renewal, December 2015

Ofcom knew I was disputing the new requirements when I applied to renew my NoV in December 2015. There is a comment on the email which came with my new NoV from Ofcom to that effect.  I withdrew my application after a confrontation with Steve because he asked me to withdraw it. He subsequently re-instated it after consulting the ECC Chairman, and processed it immediately. (So it has now had its next renewal date brought forward by about a month, as the previous one expired in January.2016.)
This still leaves me feeling somewhat disenchanted with the renewal 'vetting' process.
Who authorised the new application form with the additional requirements for additional shut-down personnel and GSM? Was it the RSGB/ECC or the regulator Ofcom? If the former is the case, the vetting process is being abused by the RSGB. If the latter is the case, Ofcom failed to notify the RSGB, and the RSGB, its membership
Either way it stinks.
The involvement of the ETCC Chairman in my dispute with Steve is in itself grounds for suspicion.

I can't publish the Ofcom letter because it was addressed to me personally, but the comment contained in it suggests very close liason between Steve and Ofcom, or a return to the old NoV issue process behind closed doors.
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Post by g4mki on Sat Jan 23, 2016 9:52 am

The third paragraph. ' If you cannot find your system amongst those listed on these websites, then you should assume that your letter or clearance is not valid.'

..and who is responsible for the content of those lists??
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Post by g4mki on Sat Jan 23, 2016 9:57 am

Therefore people need to reapply... it's not a difficult process

no it wasn't until until information you provided one year, which should have been on record was 'lost' and additional requirements were added to make it more difficult!
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Post by g7vja on Sat Jan 23, 2016 10:33 am

Hi Duncan
RSGB\ETCC are responsible for the lists
"..and who is responsible for the content of those lists??

Any NoV issued by RA or RSGB are no longer valid

"The third paragraph. ' If you cannot find your system amongst those listed on these websites, then you should assume that your letter or clearance is not valid.'"

Any new ruling or requirements for NoV's come from Ofcom
Ofcom pull the strings,
RSGB\ETCC are only the agents who process the
Applications, when they meet Ofcoms requirements they are sent back to Ofcom who now issue Notice of Variations.

Believe it or not,Ofcom do not listen to Steve very Often,they think they know more than he does.

AROS are the ones stirring it up.
they monitor the bands,inform Ofcom of there findings,Ofcom issue new guidelines
Example for APRS on 2mtrs,there are many M3 & M6 stations running 24/7 Igates.
also Aprs Mobiles that have left the home Aprs station on, breaking the unattended 30 minute rule
as Steve said to me.
Stop digging as the hole only gets bigger
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Re: General Chat

Post by g7vja on Sat Jan 23, 2016 12:01 pm

Hi Duncan
did you read Steves reply on the APRSUK Yahoo group
hopefully that should clarify the subject for everyone.

i know some people will not agree with him,but he knows the rules better than we do.
because it his job to know.
lets wait and see what changes Ofcom make to the NoV application form,
that should start a new debate
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Re: General Chat

Post by g4mki on Sat Jan 23, 2016 12:24 pm

Hi Kenny,
Yes, I have read Steve's reply to my concerns and thanked him for responding.
We needed clarification and now we have it.
Steve gets a lot of brick bats, but at the end of the day he is a radio operator, the same as the rest of us.
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Re: General Chat

Post by g7vja on Sat Jan 23, 2016 12:47 pm

Duncan
Jeff G8HUL will not be convinced that the rules have changed.
Steve could not make it any clearer.
the debate will go on regardless.
Yourself & Myself are legal to operate our NoV stations under the new rules.
all the others can go whistle Dixie if they dont like the rules.

i will not take part in any further discussion on the subject that has raged on for a long time on the APRSUK group.

if i hear anything new i will post on here.
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Post by g4mki on Sat Jan 23, 2016 12:51 pm

Kenny,
I agree entirely...don't want to push the blood pressure up for the hobby I enjoy..
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Re: General Chat

Post by g7vja on Sat Jan 23, 2016 1:46 pm

OK Duncan
we agree to draw a line under this now.
i am going to ask you a new topic in my next question which will follow this one
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Post by g7vja on Sat Jan 23, 2016 2:03 pm

Hello Duncan
On one of the screen grabs you sent to me,I noticed you had a link to a family tree program.
i have the program but not installed it yet, hope to do that today.
my friend Don G0RQL also uses the same program as you,he has asked me to put his family tree on his home website that is the one you tested for me the other day, g0qrl.uk site.
I found this site,with a program to which you can download.
you need to download your gencon file as well and the program will convert it into html code which can then go on your website.
here is the link: http://www.oxy-gen-soft.net/charger_en.php

my question is
have you ever downloaded your gencon file and tried to put it on any of your websites.

ps:forwarded an email to you
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Post by g4mki on Sat Jan 23, 2016 5:02 pm

Hi Kenny,
Problem No:1
There are 1200+ individuals in my family tree, and a number of my close living relatives do not want it published on the web.
I have it all as html pages on a CD.
Problem No:2
I have had 1 distant relative (female) ask me to remove her details from the web as she was in the process of divorce. It is a bit of a tricky area
Problem No:3
My wife's great-grandfather was a Lincoln''s Inn Barrister with Chamber's in the Temple. He was involved in a number of High Profile cases, including late Victorian baby farming where convicted women were sentenced to Death and a Member of the Privy Council.
2 generations of her family have tried very hard to suppress the connection.
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Post by g4mki on Sat Jan 23, 2016 5:10 pm

Kenny,
Follow this linkhttp://g4mki.no-ip.org/kapadia.php
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Post by g7vja on Sat Jan 23, 2016 5:48 pm

Hello Duncan
Fair play on the web site,family trees can get complex.
trouble is if you take there details out of the tree then you are
going to have a near as true record although they are related to you
somewhere along the line.
I have the same program as you & Don G0RQL so its a learning curve for me.
my tree is getting big already and i have only done my immediate family.
Grandchildren & nephews & nieces next.
on the wifes side it is huge,her father was one of 14,her mother was one of seven.
headache..hi
my cousin Robert who lives in Oswestry Shropshire has gone back as far as the 14th century with his tree,so i will be in touch with him sometime this year and see if i can marry the two trees together.
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Post by g4mki on Sat Jan 23, 2016 10:59 pm

Hi Kenny,
Talking of relatives with an interest in family trees.
About 3 years ago I received an email from a relative I last saw when he was 3 months old. One of my wife's nephews now living in Tallahassee, Florida, enjoying his second American wife, and raising a second, large brood of children.
He had seen the work I had done on his great-grandfather and wanted to know more. Since them he has been badly bitten by the genealogy bug and developed it much further. He is also a lay-preacher at one of the many Christian sects in his locality. Which seems to have been the calling of a number of members of the Stuart family,,wife's uncle, and 2 cousins. He has researched at least 7 more family strands back to the 1600's. I have also got some tentative, though unconfirmed links back to the 1400's through my paternal great-grandmother's line, which happened to live in the same village in Derbyshire for about 300 years.

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Post by g7vja on Sun Jan 24, 2016 1:35 am

Hi Duncan
I like the new Avatar,looks rather regal
mine is coming along slowly,hit a few obstacles with a couple of family members.
who have children from a first marriage,got divorced,re-married and had another child.
the program lets me enter the mothers of the children but when you check after you have saved it.there is only one mother who is named for all the children
i will work it out in the end.
also i will email my Cousin Robert to see if he can send me a copy of his Gencon file, which i should be able to merge into my program.
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Post by g4mki on Sun Jan 24, 2016 1:35 pm

Hi Kenny,
Try this link:

http://dbray.no-ip.org:83/Hist/data/index.html
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Post by g7vja on Sun Jan 24, 2016 2:33 pm

Link works ok Duncan
what program are you using for the html pages..
the layout is different to Dons G0RQL pages which i have just uploaded to his Website on his home PC
http://www.g0rql.uk/tree/index.html
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Post by g4mki on Sun Jan 24, 2016 3:10 pm

Hi Kenny,
I use Family Historian 3. It is a 'standard' family tree package which allows you to create new individuals, add their details and then present the stored data in a tree which includes everyone, or ancestors or descendants. You can use it to create a cd in html format and choose what you want it to display.
Having said that, I have modified/added additional pages, and changed the index around. For example, as you move around the site, the tabs at the top of the page change to reflect new content which has become available. I have added pages of census records, copies of BMD records, parish registers etc.

The current version of Family Historian is 5. It is produced by Calico Pie.
I also have a tree at Ancestry.co.uk and genesreunited.co.uk.
I used to be a paying member of both when I was doing the original research, but I was earning then. What a Face
I need to update it, but it involves a lot of editing if I want to keep the current format.
The copy you have access to is v11, which includes the 1911 census, but the latest update is v14. I have been working on it in fits and starts for over 10 years, and as other family members have started to work on their trees, I have incorporated theirs to update mine.
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Post by g4mki on Sun Jan 24, 2016 3:15 pm

Kenny,
I copied my avatar from one I created years ago in Yahoo Messenger..when it was possible to do it. It is actually bigger than the required 90x90 pixel format, but I seem to have got away with it! cheers
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Post by g4mki on Sun Jan 24, 2016 5:12 pm

Kenny,
Tree - 2:http://dbray.no-ip.org:83/tree/index.htm
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Post by g4mki on Sun Jan 24, 2016 9:56 pm

Hi Kenny,
I have updated the Family Historian 3 to v14 (2012) and removed the link to the previous one.
The new link is:

http://dbray.no-ip.org:83/Hist3/data/index.html

This has some family pics as well affraid
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Post by g7vja on Sun Jan 24, 2016 10:17 pm

All noted Duncan, i had a look around your family tree
the links are in my favourites.
done some of my tree today,headache was not the word.
got up too 60 entries already and thats only part of my side of the family,
a few more too do then i shall start on the Wifes Family

Still not heard from my cousin in Oswestry
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